tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9189981194016418049.post3225697216131513749..comments2024-03-08T16:52:11.999-06:00Comments on APOLOGIA: Controversial cakesHendrik van der Breggenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04149481975577863835noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9189981194016418049.post-48609829389240682552016-10-28T14:00:16.863-05:002016-10-28T14:00:16.863-05:00For further thought: Here's a 6 minute video o...For further thought: Here's a 6 minute video of Steven Crowder attempting to purchase a gay wedding cake at a Muslim bakery. With Crowder I agree that Muslim bakers, like Christian bakers, should have the freedom to refuse making cakes with pro-same-sex-marriage messages on them, just as gay bakers (and any other bakers) should have the freedom to refuse making cakes with anti-same-sex-marriage messages on them. It's called freedom and tolerance. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWIhYAtan4&feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow">Crowder's video</a>.Hendrik van der Breggenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04149481975577863835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9189981194016418049.post-61079344529856355362015-05-05T15:54:14.994-05:002015-05-05T15:54:14.994-05:00Jordan, thanks for the thoughtful questions (and I...Jordan, thanks for the thoughtful questions (and I apologize for taking so long to reply). I'll address your second question first and the first second.<br /><br />"Would the right [of the bakers] to refuse not hold if they were the only source for a wedding cake?"<br /><br />I'm inclined to think that the right to refuse would hold even if these bakers were the only source, just as, say, a Jewish baker would be free to refuse making a cake celebrating the pork industry, or the Muslim baker would be free to refuse making a pornographic cake celebrating a stag party, or a vegan baker would be free to refuse making a cake celebrating a slaughterhouse, etc., even if these were the only source of specialty cakes. In such cases it seems to me that <i>in principle</i> there's no need for government coercion: in a pluralist society that respects individual autonomy (not absolute autonomy but within the constraints of live-and-let-live) the bakers have the right to exercise moral conscience.<br /><br />"In what way is it significant that there are others willing to bake cakes for a same-sex wedding?"<br /><br />I think it's significant that others are available and willing to bake cakes for a same-sex wedding in the sense that this makes it obvious that, even if some of us might have some moral qualms about permitting some bakers the freedom to refuse baking a particular cake, there's clearly no large-scale systematic discrimination against gays going on here. So there's also no need for government coercion <i>in practice</i>.<br /><br />I hope that this clarification is helpful.<br /><br />Cheers to you too!Hendrik van der Breggenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04149481975577863835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9189981194016418049.post-74421498286688778372015-04-29T16:55:27.141-05:002015-04-29T16:55:27.141-05:00U.S. bakers face a $135,000.00 fine for not baking...U.S. bakers face a $135,000.00 fine for not baking a wedding cake for a gay wedding: <a href="http://dailysignal.com/2015/04/27/exclusive-bakers-facing-135k-fine-over-wedding-cake-for-same-sex-couple-speak-out/" rel="nofollow">The Daily Signal</a>Hendrik van der Breggenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04149481975577863835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9189981194016418049.post-9479649819878160772015-04-20T14:57:27.531-05:002015-04-20T14:57:27.531-05:00Thanks for the post Dr. V. I only have one small ...Thanks for the post Dr. V. I only have one small question for clarification. In what way is it significant that there are others willing to bake cakes for a same-sex wedding? Would the right to refuse not hold if they were the only source for a wedding cake? Cheers,<br /><br />JordanJordan Wiebehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07445042813006539869noreply@blogger.com